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	<description>In art and faith, "the truth must dazzle gradually."</description>
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		<title>Comment on Sean Penn disqualifies Cannes films that don&#8217;t reflect &#8220;current climate&#8221; by genebranaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>genebranaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ditto what Jeffrey said in post #5.  Longpauses, I think, as Jeffrey pointed out, the money quote for me is "impossible to separate film from politics" because it, IMO, strongly implies a preconceived viewpoint.

It was never my intention to create or perpetuate a straw man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ditto what Jeffrey said in post #5.  Longpauses, I think, as Jeffrey pointed out, the money quote for me is &#8220;impossible to separate film from politics&#8221; because it, IMO, strongly implies a preconceived viewpoint.</p>
<p>It was never my intention to create or perpetuate a straw man.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DecentFilms on Prince Caspian: It&#8217;s entertaining, even improves the story. But Lewis&#8217;s themes and ideas are &#8220;largely lost.&#8221; by Jeffrey Overstreet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Overstreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 00:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment. My post was focused on what Greydanus thought of the film's translation of &lt;i&gt;the core ideas in the book.&lt;/i&gt;

Even in the title of the post, I acknowledged that Greydanus found it entertaining. And you're right that he points out places in which the film improves upon the book, insofar as it makes the plot more compelling.

But it's a strong statement to say: "while the essence of Lewis’s plot is preserved, the themes and ideas behind the story are largely lost." And he makes that argument persuasively, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment. My post was focused on what Greydanus thought of the film&#8217;s translation of <i>the core ideas in the book.</i></p>
<p>Even in the title of the post, I acknowledged that Greydanus found it entertaining. And you&#8217;re right that he points out places in which the film improves upon the book, insofar as it makes the plot more compelling.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s a strong statement to say: &#8220;while the essence of Lewis’s plot is preserved, the themes and ideas behind the story are largely lost.&#8221; And he makes that argument persuasively, I think.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DecentFilms on Prince Caspian: It&#8217;s entertaining, even improves the story. But Lewis&#8217;s themes and ideas are &#8220;largely lost.&#8221; by i4detail</title>
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		<dc:creator>i4detail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 23:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of his review (that's my review of your review of his review of the movie... )

Can I use html here? Well, I guess we'll find out.

&lt;blockquote&gt;For better and for worse — and it’s quite a bit of both — the big-screen Prince Caspian takes far more creative license than its predecessor. There is definitely an up side: Not only is Caspian a better-made film, in some ways it manages to improve on Lewis’s plot without violating its spirit.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My reading of that (and the rest of the review) is that it isn't a full stop bad adaptation; there are lots of thematic elements that get lost in the translation, but it is much more nuanced that saying that "it is not a good adaptation of the book".  That it stays true to the "plot" (at least) of the book. It has mixed results, with the spiritual elements often being the ones to fall by the wayside, but it still has laudable elements. 

I haven't seen the movie (am just reading the book with my daughter in the hopes that I can see it when it comes to Dawson Creek), so this is not my personal view of the film, just of what Steven said. 

Sorry. Let's put that in a manner you're more used to:

Heathen reviewer!!!! Gah!!!

I do look forward to seeing it, because even cracked vessels can still bear water. I don't know what that means, but it sounds profound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree with your assessment of his review (that&#8217;s my review of your review of his review of the movie&#8230; )</p>
<p>Can I use html here? Well, I guess we&#8217;ll find out.</p>
<blockquote><p>For better and for worse — and it’s quite a bit of both — the big-screen Prince Caspian takes far more creative license than its predecessor. There is definitely an up side: Not only is Caspian a better-made film, in some ways it manages to improve on Lewis’s plot without violating its spirit.</p></blockquote>
<p>My reading of that (and the rest of the review) is that it isn&#8217;t a full stop bad adaptation; there are lots of thematic elements that get lost in the translation, but it is much more nuanced that saying that &#8220;it is not a good adaptation of the book&#8221;.  That it stays true to the &#8220;plot&#8221; (at least) of the book. It has mixed results, with the spiritual elements often being the ones to fall by the wayside, but it still has laudable elements. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen the movie (am just reading the book with my daughter in the hopes that I can see it when it comes to Dawson Creek), so this is not my personal view of the film, just of what Steven said. </p>
<p>Sorry. Let&#8217;s put that in a manner you&#8217;re more used to:</p>
<p>Heathen reviewer!!!! Gah!!!</p>
<p>I do look forward to seeing it, because even cracked vessels can still bear water. I don&#8217;t know what that means, but it sounds profound.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sean Penn disqualifies Cannes films that don&#8217;t reflect &#8220;current climate&#8221; by flatlandsfriar</title>
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		<dc:creator>flatlandsfriar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The man married Madonna. I wouldn't trust him to order pizza, no matter what his politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The man married Madonna. I wouldn&#8217;t trust him to order pizza, no matter what his politics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sean Penn disqualifies Cannes films that don&#8217;t reflect &#8220;current climate&#8221; by Jeffrey Overstreet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Overstreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I was also inclined to interpret his words that way because &lt;i&gt;The Telegraph&lt;/i&gt; framed the story like so:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Penn said it was impossible to separate film from politics, and promised that the winning film would be a reflection of the current climate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's somewhat stronger language than "demanding that a filmmaker be 'very aware of the times in which he or she lives'".

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I was also inclined to interpret his words that way because <i>The Telegraph</i> framed the story like so:</p>
<blockquote><p>Penn said it was impossible to separate film from politics, and promised that the winning film would be a reflection of the current climate.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s somewhat stronger language than &#8220;demanding that a filmmaker be &#8216;very aware of the times in which he or she lives&#8217;&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flashback to 1983: Unmasking the Dark Lord by striderdemme</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sebastion Shaw is rolling in his grave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebastion Shaw is rolling in his grave.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christianity Today: 2 1/2 stars (out of 4) for Prince Caspian by striderdemme</title>
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		<dc:creator>striderdemme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't remember the dancing scene...me thinks I should reread Caspian after seeing the film. 

But I will miss the school trashings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t remember the dancing scene&#8230;me thinks I should reread Caspian after seeing the film. </p>
<p>But I will miss the school trashings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flashback to 1983: Unmasking the Dark Lord by redison</title>
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		<dc:creator>redison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how &lt;i&gt;dare&lt;/i&gt; you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how <i>dare</i> you?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sean Penn disqualifies Cannes films that don&#8217;t reflect &#8220;current climate&#8221; by Jeffrey Overstreet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Overstreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darren,

I certainly didn't intend a "strawman-bashing party." 

I was simply worried about Penn's statement, based on the context of his usual commentary. 

It &lt;i&gt;sounds&lt;/i&gt; (at least to me) like he's already looking for a &lt;i&gt;particular&lt;/i&gt; kind of film, and that makes me wonder if he's capable of being surprised by something &lt;i&gt;timeless&lt;/i&gt; rather than &lt;i&gt;timely&lt;/i&gt;. 

Being very familiar with how regularly Penn speaks out about specific political convictions, this statement makes it sound like he's looking for something that aligns with those. 

Perhaps I'm just being too presumptuous. And perhaps &lt;i&gt;Citizen Kane&lt;/i&gt; was a bad example. (I only grabbed it to represent a masterpiece, the most obvious example. Try &lt;i&gt;Babette's Feast&lt;/i&gt; instead.) 

But when I go to a work of art, the question Penn leads with is not at all the question foremost on my mind. I'm more interested in beauty and truth on a &lt;i&gt;timeless&lt;/i&gt; scale, not regarding how it lines up with any particular political climate. The brilliance of artists like Ceylan resides in how their work is both particular and timeless, speaking to all generations through the specificity of an exact place and time.

Again, perhaps I'm reading too much into Penn's words. I'm actually a fan -- I was surprised by the powerful second half of &lt;em&gt;Into the Wild&lt;/em&gt;; I'm one of the few people I know who remember and enjoyed &lt;em&gt;The Pledge&lt;/em&gt;; and Penn's performance in &lt;em&gt;Dead Man Walking&lt;/em&gt; still haunts me. But his frequent political commentary inclined me to interpret him the way that I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darren,</p>
<p>I certainly didn&#8217;t intend a &#8220;strawman-bashing party.&#8221; </p>
<p>I was simply worried about Penn&#8217;s statement, based on the context of his usual commentary. </p>
<p>It <i>sounds</i> (at least to me) like he&#8217;s already looking for a <i>particular</i> kind of film, and that makes me wonder if he&#8217;s capable of being surprised by something <i>timeless</i> rather than <i>timely</i>. </p>
<p>Being very familiar with how regularly Penn speaks out about specific political convictions, this statement makes it sound like he&#8217;s looking for something that aligns with those. </p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m just being too presumptuous. And perhaps <i>Citizen Kane</i> was a bad example. (I only grabbed it to represent a masterpiece, the most obvious example. Try <i>Babette&#8217;s Feast</i> instead.) </p>
<p>But when I go to a work of art, the question Penn leads with is not at all the question foremost on my mind. I&#8217;m more interested in beauty and truth on a <i>timeless</i> scale, not regarding how it lines up with any particular political climate. The brilliance of artists like Ceylan resides in how their work is both particular and timeless, speaking to all generations through the specificity of an exact place and time.</p>
<p>Again, perhaps I&#8217;m reading too much into Penn&#8217;s words. I&#8217;m actually a fan &#8212; I was surprised by the powerful second half of <em>Into the Wild</em>; I&#8217;m one of the few people I know who remember and enjoyed <em>The Pledge</em>; and Penn&#8217;s performance in <em>Dead Man Walking</em> still haunts me. But his frequent political commentary inclined me to interpret him the way that I did.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sean Penn disqualifies Cannes films that don&#8217;t reflect &#8220;current climate&#8221; by longpauses</title>
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		<dc:creator>longpauses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to interrupt your strawman-bashing party, but it seems to me you're all making a big leap here. Granted, Penn's reputation is fair game -- and the committee who named him president of the jury were surely banking on it, so, Gene, don't think for a second that Penn is subverting anything -- but demanding that a filmmaker be "very aware of the times in which he or she lives" is a perfectly reasonable criterion at a festival like Cannes. 

Jeffrey, Citizen Kane is a "timeless" work of art, but it was also very much "of its time" when it was released in 1941. Ceylan, to use another of your recent examples, will not give us a film about the White House, but he's surely a brilliant interpreter of our times. I'm especially excited to see Apitchatpong Weeresethakul on the jury.

Heck, if you want to see some quality Bush-bashing, check out the RNC's response to &lt;a href="http://news.google.com/news?ie=UTF-8&#38;oe=utf-8&#38;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&#38;client=firefox-a&#38;tab=wn&#38;ncl=1213026965&#38;hl=en" rel="nofollow"&gt;their loss of another seat in Congress&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to interrupt your strawman-bashing party, but it seems to me you&#8217;re all making a big leap here. Granted, Penn&#8217;s reputation is fair game &#8212; and the committee who named him president of the jury were surely banking on it, so, Gene, don&#8217;t think for a second that Penn is subverting anything &#8212; but demanding that a filmmaker be &#8220;very aware of the times in which he or she lives&#8221; is a perfectly reasonable criterion at a festival like Cannes. </p>
<p>Jeffrey, Citizen Kane is a &#8220;timeless&#8221; work of art, but it was also very much &#8220;of its time&#8221; when it was released in 1941. Ceylan, to use another of your recent examples, will not give us a film about the White House, but he&#8217;s surely a brilliant interpreter of our times. I&#8217;m especially excited to see Apitchatpong Weeresethakul on the jury.</p>
<p>Heck, if you want to see some quality Bush-bashing, check out the RNC&#8217;s response to <a href="http://news.google.com/news?ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;tab=wn&amp;ncl=1213026965&amp;hl=en" rel="nofollow">their loss of another seat in Congress</a>.</p>
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